Any idiot can buy a new car - even with bad credit, no credit, or whatever. It takes no talent to pick out a car, write a check, and sign up for the worst financial deal of a lifetime. And yet many folks act like buying a car is some sort of personal accomplishment. It is no more of an accomplishment than excretion. But then again, we teach children in this country that excretion is a major accomplishment that should be rewarded, so go figure.
Another example of faux financial acumen that you will see a lot in the media and online is the "tips to be a savvy car shopper!" kind of article, which touts to teach you all the tricks to "beating the salesman at his own game!" or how to "get the best bargains when buying a new car!"
You read the article and there is no "there" there - just a bunch of platitudes about how exciting and fun it is to buy a new car, and how you should negotiate on price and "get a good deal!". But trying to "negotiate" with a salesman is merely playing their game - which you will lose. Your only option is to not play at all.
It is like those stupid articles about "tips to win big at the casinos!" - you can't win, period. Just don't go.
Why is buying a brand-new car such a raw deal? Several reasons. And many young people buy a brand-new car in their 20's, and live to regret it - if they realize what they have done. Others continue to buy new cars, convinced that it is "fun" and "cool" to have a new car every few years. Such folks are not terribly bright - the sort of folks who find Jet-Skiing to be hours of entertainment.
There is nothing special or unique about owning a brand-new car. They come off the assembly line every few seconds in this country. Yet many folks consider it a sign of status or class to be able to buy a brand-new car, rather than a used one - even when the car in question is some cheaply made economy model.
In fact, most new cars sold are very inexpensive models, and young people are often targeted as the market for such cars. Toyota came up with a whole brand - Scion - to market to young people. Many older people end up buying the cars, of course, proving the old adage true - "You can sell a young man's car to an older man, but not an older man's car to a younger man."
Young people want things - they are starting out in life, and everything seems exciting and new. Moreover, they are coming from an environment where it seems everyone (adults) have lots of nice "stuff" but they are constantly denied all the things they want in life. They graduate from college, get a job that pays what seems like a lot of money, and suddenly, they can choose to have whatever they want.
And often, they choose to have everything they want, and end up spending a decade or two bailing themselves out of a debt crises that started in their 20's but did not metastasize until well into their 30's. Or, as in my case, I went on to make more and more money over time, but by age 30, I literally had nothing to show for all the labor of my 20's, other than some student loan bills. Imagine that, working an entire decade and not even being able to save $500 in the bank! And yet my experience is typical, not an anomaly.
The scenario usually plays out as follows. John is a composite of a number of young people I know, including myself.
James is 23years old, recently graduated from college and has landed an entry-level job with a company. He is making pretty good money, or so he thinks, as his only comparison is the money he was making in high school. He can afford an apartment - or to share an apartment with friends - and has the usual collection of toys, such as cell phones, cable TV, video games, computers and the like. He and his friends spend their non-working, non-sleeping hours figuring out ways to have fun and spend money - usually going to bars or "hanging out" and drinking beer, or going to the mall and spending money, usually with credit cards.
James has the same car he had in college - his Mother's old Honda - which is now many years old and the butt of jokes by his buddies. He tried "modding" it with some bolt-on accessories, like a cone filter and a "fart muffler", but all they did was make the car loud and annoying. All his buddies, it seemed, had "nice rides" and James wanted one, too.
On the way by the car dealer, he spies a small fastback coupe that looks sporty. It was designed with James in mind - it is small and looks sporty, but is really just another economy car with sporty sheet metal work. James assumes he "can't afford it" and he is right. But one day, he stops by and looks at it, and the sticker price of "only" $18,000 seems pretty reasonable. A salesman sees him eyeing the car and steps up to talk to him.
James is no fool - he won't fall prey to a new car salesman! But the salesman sizes James up and says, "I can show you how you can AFFORD this car!". Intrigued, James goes along with it, figuring there is no harm in finding out what the "numbers" will be.
And here, the salesman snookers James using a panoply of techniques. First, he runs James' credit, while they are talking and looking at cars. He distracts James by showing him other cars or just makes him wait in the waiting room. The more James waits, the more he has "invested" in the process and the longer he will wait. James will be there for about 5-6 hours.
The salesman quickly figures out how much he can charge James for a car, based on James' income and credit rating - and sets out to sell him the least amount of car for the most money. Perhaps he will first tell James that the small coupe in "GT" trim is out of his price range - but that the stripped down "SE" model (which is assures, is really the same car and a better bargain) is. Or, if James is making good money, he may try to "upsell" him into a larger or more expensive car. But since James is young and dumb, the best bet is to sell him the Sally Stripper at the GT price.
Next, is the trade-in. James' clapped-out Honda with the cone filter and coffee-can muffler is worth little, but the salesman knows that James will be upset unless he "gets good money for it" - so the salesman offers him a hefty price in trade-in - more than James would get for selling it outright. The car will be sold at auction for $200, so the excess trade-in price is folded into the new car.
Financing is next. The salesman will recommend a five- to seven-year loan, so that the monthly payments, even at an astronomical interest rate, will be "affordable". Since James has no good credit, he will easily pay in the double-digits for the loan interest rate. James does not qualify for so-called "0% financing" or low-interest financing - few people do, actually.
If necessary, the salesman will pitch leasing as the solution - to keep the monthly payment down and to allow him to pad more price into the car. James may fall for this, as it gets him the car to drive home, but within a payment plan that he thinks he can "afford". Yes, James is at that point in life where he looks at money as something he gets every two weeks - and spends as quickly. A few hundred bucks a month sounds "affordable" - but the overall cost of the transaction is never considered.
Leasing has an added bonus for the car dealer and manufacturer in that it forces the buyer to come back in 3-5 years to turn in the car, which becomes and opportunity to lease them a new one - creating a perpetual new-car buyer for the company - at least for a few years, until the cost of this is felt and the customer goes bust or figures out they have been had.
James signs onto this onerous deal, buying the car, sold on 72 monthly payments. The salesman of course, will throw in the "closing" bits - the rust-proofing and undercoating, selling James the floor mats that came with the car, or paint sealer, or extended warranty, or whatever. If James is particularly foolish, he will sign up for these add-ons. At this point, James has no idea what he paid for the car, and chances are, it is close to - or indeed, over - the sticker price.
But, it is nearly 10:00 at night, and James drives home with the new car, with temp tags on it. He is proud to show it off to his buddies, who mostly say nice things about it, except for his one snarky friend who says, "Whoa, dude, why didn't ya buy the GT model? The SE is lame!"
But James takes the slight in stride. He is an adult now - able to buy a new car, with his own money! This car is a sign of his success and wealth. And it has cool features, like a remote hatch release, a CD player with speakers that light up! And cruise control and a working air conditioner!
The next day, he is excited to drive his new car to work, and is convinced that everyone is looking at him in his new car. If he is particularly tacky, he leaves the window sticker on for a few days, so everyone will know he has a "new car". But in traffic, he is cut off by another young man in the GT model, and James wonders how that fellow could afford the upgraded version (Hint: He bought it used).
All day at work, he is distracted by thinking about his car, and when he leaves work, he is excited to see HIS shiny new car in the parking lot. And he enjoys driving it home.
There are a few major flies in the ointment. The first is insurance. His agent wrote a "binder" on the car, based on the amount James had paid for the insurance on his older car. But the Agent calls the next day with bad news - the cost of collision insurance on the car will be very high, thanks to some tickets James got, and in addition, the comprehensive will be higher, as the coupe is classified as a "sporty" model with higher premiums. The insurance will cost a couple hundred per month for the car - nearly as high as the car payment.
The other problem with the scenario is that James thought that "a few hundred" a month was affordable, but did not "do the math" to figure out where the money would come from. As it was, he was spending every penny he made every month, on rent, beer, and partying. He thought that he would "save money" by not having to pay for repairs on his old Honda (which needed new tires, just last month!) and maybe cut back on some other personal expenses.
But that sort of financial acumen is rather faulty - the idea that you can add hundreds of dollars per month to your budget and "somehow" economize to afford it. Needless to say, James was very quickly running out of money every month. The jacked-up insurance rates only added fuel to the fire. Very quickly, his credit card balance started increasing. He not only took on a staggering debt load with the new car, but was increasing his debt load with the credit cards. His net worth, including student loans, was astoundingly negative.
Only 71 months of payments left to go! James would be nearly 30 before the car was paid off.
What was worse, is that James had no way out of this situation, other than to work for six years and pay off the debt - and hope in vain that his salary increases over time would make things easier. Yes, he was upside-down on the car, and would remain so, for the life of the loan. He would not be able to sell the car for what he owed on the loan, for many years, as the onerous terms of financing meant that the car was depreciating faster than the loan balance was decreasing.
Right off the bat, the car was worth 10-20% less than he paid for it, the moment he drove it off the lot. Within 3-5 years, it was worth 50% less than its purchase price. From a depreciation standpoint, a new car is a horrible financial transaction. But James never looked at the deal in terms of overall price, overall cost over time, and overall cost-per-mile, in terms of transportation. He just looked at that inviting low monthly payment.
"The Road to Middle-Class Poverty is Paved with New Car Payments" - as one famous author (me) once said. And many a young person has been snookered into buying a brand-new car, and then can't understand why they are not saving money or can't balance their budget every month. It can't be the car, right? Not the car! Everyone has new cars, right? RIGHT?
Wrong. And often the "monthly payment" mentality fails to address the overall cost. So James is broke now, and living "paycheck to paycheck" and the cause of his financial difficulty is parked out front.
A decision he made one night, under pressure from a salesman, when he was 23 years old, will affect him for an entire decade. Five years into this deal, he has a used economy car that is out of date, out of style, and starting to show signs of wear - and incurring repair costs. The fun part of driving a new car with temp tags lasted a week. The financial effects lasted a decade or more.
More - because at age 30, he wants to settle down and get married, but he has nothing to show for the last decade of his existence on planet earth, other than a clapped-out economy car, and some electronic gadgets - and few grand in credit card debt. Getting a mortgage to buy a home will be hard. He can only hope that his future spouse was smarter about money that he was - or comes from a wealthy family.
The new car showroom is a trap for young people - a trap that can suck the money out of your wallet for years and years. Your 20's should be a time for fun, frolic, dating, and experiencing all the joy of life as an adult for the first time. But that excitement alone is fun - you don't need to enhance it buy owning shiny new crap. Trust me that it is far more fun to drive Mom's clapped-out Honda and have $20 in your pocket, than to have a new econo-box and be broke all the time.
And it is even more fun to be putting money in your 401(k) in your 20's, so that age 30, you have a down payment for a home, should you decide to buy one. Financial security is not sexy or flashy, but it is really calming and reassuring, in the long run.
So what could James have done differently? Well, he could have kept driving the Honda for a few more years, enduring the ribbing of his pals (who ironically, all want to ride in it, when they go somewhere as a group, as their economy coupes do not comfortably seat more than two). He could have put the hundreds of dollars a month of savings into a savings account, and when the Honda finally blows a head gasket at 250,000 miles, he could have afforded to buy a secondhand GT coupe, from the original owner, five years old, for CASH - and saved a ton of dough in both interest, insurance, and depreciation.
And moreover, he would not have been broke all the time, or felt the pressure and strain of "having to make money" in order to pay bills - bills of his own creation.
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The story of James is not made-up. I know a lot of James' out there - and am one myself. I bought a new car, at age 23, when I had a perfectly good used car that would have given me five more years of service - easily - with proper care. With the cost of insurance and car payments, the price of ownership was astounding - hundreds of dollars a month, in an era where mortgage payments or rent was not much more.
By my late 20's, even though I had been working for a decade, contributing to a 401(k) plan at two companies, making a fairly decent salary, and even buying and selling a home and pocketing several thousand dollars in cash, I was in fact, flat broke. And what did I do at that point? You guessed it - I went out and bought another new car.
The only smart thing I did do, was to get an eduction, which in turn qualified me for a better job with more pay. But like most young people - or people in general - I merely made things worse by going out and increasing my debt load and monthly bills to the point where I was treading water - running hard to stay in one place. Rather than capitalize on my gains, I was just staying in place, if not in fact falling behind.
It was not until I first sat down and calculated my net worth that I realized that a decade of hard work had come to naught. I had not been able to save up even a few hundred dollars over that entire time period!
And, at that point in my life, I decided I needed to change things. And to be sure, it took decades more to figure things out - there would be more cars, more onerous deals, more debt, and more stupidity before I realized that such a lifestyle was not sustainable in the long run. Eventually, we all have to retire and live off our savings - so learning to accumulate wealth and live on less is not really an option, but a dire necessity.
And living in debt all the time wears on your soul and even your body. The stress of debt leads to physical ailments and to drinking, drug use, and escapism. Many people today are very unhappy and take anti-depressants, and wonder why, while living in the richest country in the world, they are so miserable.
And often the reason why is parked in their driveway. They have lots of nice stuff, but also lots of debt. So they feel powerless and weak, instead of empowered and wealthy.
It is hard to break free of this cycle of debt-and-owning-things. And it cannot be changed overnight, particularly when you have signed up for years of onerous debt. It takes only the stroke of a pen - mere seconds, to bind you for decades. But you can turn things around, over time. And it is worthwhile to do so.
And yet, many people, not seeing results right away, say, "screw this, I'm buying a new Camaro!"
And the cycles continues...


12 comments:
It is sad if car can be accomplishment.
Be aware of that type of person.
I wasted a good bit of money years ago on cars as well, but now I'm happy with my reliable beater. Although most see someone with a new expensive car as wealthy, I can't help but think that they're broke. I had a nice car, and was broke. I know others with nice cars, and they're broke. Most of the wealthy people I know don't spend much money on cars.
I cannot believe this actually happens to people. I bought a new car at 22 as well. It was a Nissan Sentra. Luckily I paid it off in 3.5 years and kept it 4 more years after that. Oh well, unfortunately we all have to learn from our mistakes.
Life sometimes gets boring and to jazz things up we buy things we dont need. I said to my husband the other day as we were recalling some of the things we bought when we were younger that most of the stuff was a pure waste of money. The $800 drum set he saved for for years and now doesn't know where it is could have grown into quite a large sum over 40 years. If you think of all your expenditures that way you probably wouldn't spend a penny on anything ever.
Hi-
I came across your blog recently and have been voraciously devouring back posts. No that I need the validation, but it's heartening to know that others share my perspective.
I've always been cheap. I graduated from a good college debt-free rather than borrowing for a pricier one, and while all my friends were financing new cars, I bought a series of fun beaters (including some vintage convertibles) for (comparably much less) cash through my 20s. I never moved out from home until I got married. (I always went in on shore houses and ski places, so I had a place to take dates.) My wife is of a similar mindset. We live in a modest, fairly crappy home in a great neighborhood and only make mechanical repairs to it, not expensive cosmetic "improvements". We live cheaply enough that we get by just fine on my salary, enabling her to stay home, raise our daughter and help her with school enough that we have already saved $20,000 in private high school tuition through a scholarship. This should, hopefully, continue to pay off with at least a partial academic scholarship for college.
We ignored the siren song of investment counselors (and the media) urging us to buy stocks and such, and instead paid off our mortgage in 12 years. I could never understand the notion that possibly making money in the market was somehow better than definitely saving over $150,000 in mortgage interest payments. When the stock market tanked and people saw their savings plummet, we more or less shrugged. Everyone we know has nicer cars than we do. The women get mani/pedis weekly. (Pedicures in the winter... please explain.) They all drink $4 coffees, and most of my coworkers spend $10 a day at lunch while I brown-bag it. They're all living paycheck to paycheck, while I now max out my 401K contribution and soldier on.
All that said, I disagree somewhat with your new car POV. Buying flashy new models is foolish. But you can take advantage of dealers by purchasing leftover models they are desperate to unload. I bought a 2004 PT Cruiser in September of '04 for only $11,000 from a dealer who had a lot full of '05s. The salesgirl literally chased me into the parking lot after I left, refusing to pay $12,000. I could only get that deal if we financed at a moderate rate (around 5% or so), so I agreed, signed the papers, made the first payment, then paid off the entire loan in month 2. In 1999 we paid cash for a loaded leftover '98 Ford Windstar for $8000 less than MSRP. We still have both cars. Yes, I lust after the new Camaro, but the cheap side of my brain continues to win out.
Wow, you've almost exactly described what happened to me in my first job out of university. It's almost creepy how similar your narrative was to my own life. I thought I was making big money, was driving a hand-me-down used car (Tercel), and thought that I deserved to upgrade. And yes, it was a brand new Camaro! lol
What really disturbs me is that I thought I was being so smart about it. I got the blue book value and negotiated the dealer to within $1500 of that. I got a car loan at 0.9% financing. Yet after only 1 1/2 years I lost $15k on depreciation. It was quite a shock.
Fortunately it was enough of a shock that I switched to a well used and cheap economy car that has lasted almost 10 years now. My bank account is much happier as a result.
The other thing that pains me about my decision to buy a new Camaro was that had I chose to buy something used instead, for the money I laid down I could have gotten a good used CORVETTE! And depreciation would have been far less! Oh the humanity
I obviously hit a nerve here! We've all been stung by the allure of the new car dealer.
New cars are a trap, and I see others agree with this.
While buying last-years "leftover" model might SEEM to be a bargain, bear in mind that the minute you drive it off the dealer lot, not only do you lose that 10-20% initial depreciation, BUT ALSO that first year's depreciation as well.
The minute you buy a new car, you are the proud owner of a used car. When you buy a brand new "leftover" car from last year, you are the proud owner of a year-old used car.
If you drive it for 10 years until it is scrap, you might do pretty well. But the same car, a year old, used, is far less costly to purchase in the first place.
For example, my 1995 Ford F150 cost $22,500 new. The same truck, as a 1994, with 12,000 miles on it, was selling for $17,000 used. That's $5,500 I could have saved, or nearly 1/4 of the purchase price. And it would have lasted as long as I needed it, too. (I sold it last year).
New Cars are like the credit card thing - yes you theoretically could come out ahead on some cash-back miles credit card scheme - in theory.
But you are far more likely to get screwed.
The best way to 100% avoid being screwed is to not sign up for the credit card.
Similarly, the best way to 100% avoid being screwed in a car deal is to stay out of new-car showrooms!
Just like staying out of Casinos is the 100% sure way not to lose money gambling.
The best car I ever bought was a 1985 grey-market Mercedes 300D, for which I paid $1700. My partner would drive this to work, and the Pakistani parking garage attendants would go nuts over it - parking it out front and making sure it didn't get dinged. In their country, that was a hot ride.
My brand new Taurus, on the other hand, they would bury 5 cars deep and scratch the paint! That car cost $25,000, and I sold it for $8500.
The Mercedes sold on eBay for $4500.
I like old cars....
LOVE old cars. I am trying to convince the Missus to replace the Windstar (someday) with a vintage musclecar station wagon instead of a lightly used SUV. A $15K used SUV will be practically worthless in ten years; a $10K surf wagon, Vista Cruiser or Ford Country Sedan will be worth $20K in ten years if I take care of it, $10K if I beat on it. And either way it's a blast!
I also love this blog but I disagree a little bit with your views on new cars.
I am very lucky to have never bought a bad car. In 1982 I bought a new Honda Civic two door hatchback. None were available used! This was so great a car that virtually none were available for sale. Some were but they were very close to the new car price. So I bought the new car cash and it was great. Then came my 1991 Civic hatch and my 1999 Civic Coupe. In all cases the nearly new car was almost the same money as the new car. For a few dollars I will go for the new car.
Now the story gets funny. By 2007 my 1999 Civic was getting old and I am of the belief that the "gypsy better sell his horse while it is still alive". I sold my 1999 Civic and bought my mother's 2 year old Honda CRV with only 8000 miles on it. She bought it new. Why did she sell it? The new CRV does not have the spare tire on the back of it and that is a very desirable feature in Queens, NYC. So now I still have that 2005 CRV and it is great here in the Northern NYC suburbs.
After 6 months of ownership my mother got into a not-at-fault accident with her new 2007 CRV with only 1800 miles on it. The airbags deployed. Incredibly, that vehicle was not totalled. It was rebuilt. She quickly went to Paragon Honda and bough a new 2008 CRV and traded her 2007 in and got an OK deal, not the best.
Like me, my parents own a lot of money. She traded that CRV in for one reason, the fear that it might not have been repaired properly. She wanted to make sure that whatever she was driving was as safe as that one and that its airbags and other safety features would 100% perfect without a doubt. It cost about $4000 to get rid of the old and replace it with a new one but she and I both think that this is money well spent, especially if you own a lot of money. Her 2007 CRV probably saved her life and, at the very least, saved her many injuries.
That 2007 CRV with only 1800 miles will be gussied up and sold to an economy minded buyer thinking that he has made a great deal. Sure, CARFAX will say that it was in an accident but most people can be talked around that.
I will buy a used car only if I knew it well. Otherwise it is new.
One more comment.....
I see some very interesting ads about used cars.
- I saw a used current model Corvette with only 453 miles on it.
- The local dealer has a 2011 Chrysler 300 Hemi with 1018 miles on it.
- Same dealer with a 2011 Challenger SRT with 3530 miles on it.
Without a truthful story I would never buy such a car.
Here is a hypothetical story. Bubba gets a job as a school custodian. He has $4000 and thinks he can afford to lease a new Challenger SRT. He brings it back to the trailer park and he is the king. He dates Lurleen and gets lucky on the first try. He thinks he is in NASCAR. After 6 weeks and three speeding tickets from Sheriff Taylor and a DUI from Deputy Fife Bubba sees his insurance skyrocket to $4000 for 6 months. He cannot pay it or his lease because he lost his unionized job because of a failed drug test. He knows he is in his last days of owning his life accomplishment, that leased Challenger SRT. He races it, spins the tires, etc... Lizard Lick towing reposes it while he gets lucky with Lurleen the 9th time. The local Chrysler Jeep Dodge dealer displays it (after changing the tires and shining it up) and some economy minded person buys it thinking it is a good deal.
There are so many stories like this. I buy only Hondas but also consider Toyotas. For these brands a new car is not that much more than one that is used.
A 1970's-era station wagon (early 70's preferred) or even 1960's can be had for under $20,000 in very good condition, not to hot-rodded up, and be worth more after 5 years than you paid for it.
Downside- R-22 Air Conditioning, and other technologies of that era (carburetors, for example). Cars didn't run as smoothly as they do today, and they smelled like gas all the time.
No, seriously.
Also, I am not sure such a vehicle would make a good "daily driver" that you could put 15,000 miles a year on. If your driving requirements are less, it might work...
During the heyday of Honda, many of the cars would sell for more USED than new, as demand was so high.
But that rarely happens today.
A car about 1-3 years old can be a real bargain - FROM THE ORIGINAL OWNER NOT A USED CAR DEALER (Please READ, People!).
A year-old car with low miles on a used car dealer's lot is either a repo or a wreck or the dealer's wife's car.
That being said, on occasion, there are bargains. A few years ago, Audi had trouble selling their TT Roadster, so they told dealers to move the "last years models" to the used car side, and knock the price down - so the "new car" price would not be affected.
At that time, you could get a brand-new TT Roadster with 50 miles on it, for 20-30% off list.
But such bargains are few and far between. Just as winning at the Casino CAN happen, it rarely does. Best to stay out of Casinos.
The best VALUE in a used car, is one that is "late model", garage kept, PRIVATE PARTY SALE from the original owner, with all service records.
Hard to find? Not really, I have bought at least four. And they look and drive like new, for at least 25-50% less than list price.
I only drive my second car about 3000 miles a year - back and forth to the bus stop for work, and the rare weekend occasion when I need to drive more than 5 people somewhere. I could TOTALLY do an antique. Of course, at that usage rate, my Windstar may very well last another 10 years.
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